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I got following new from sadikhov forum.... It migbh be fake... pls  update if u have any new from CISCO

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Hi guys

I have just heard from my local Cisco trainings partner that Cisco gonna change everything very soon- regarding CCIE R&S.

They want to adjust the lab test so it coordinates with the new Cisco 360 program. It's gonna hit hard on the other Cisco training
vendors. Their programs won't fit the upcomming lab test. :(

Expect changes in blueprint very soon.

I have just left my job to take a half year of,- just to start the final training....and the 360 program is withdrawn because of changes.
And perhaps is the other programs outdated before I'm ready.... :(

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Brgds

Amit

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  • Amit,

    Any significant changes like this would happen only with a 6-month warning period - so even if it's announced tonight you won't be affected by this earlier than Oct/Nov 2009.

    HTH,

    K.

    PS. AFAIK the 360 is a kinda training procedure more than a way of assessment...

     

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    If you see things on Cisco's site, then there's reality to it.  As
    always, any changes (announced or perceived) lead to a lot of panic and
    mayhem when it comes to registering for lab dates!  There's always the
    paranoia of the unknown.



    But in the end, there's always time, and even if there was a complete
    rearrangement or change of hardware (difficult to believe as that costs
    $$ for Cisco too!) it's not like anything you are doing today is a
    complete waste of time!



    So either way, don't stress about it.  Watch the web site and/or our
    blog site...  Watch for what/if/when changes may show up, and plan your
    own studies accordingly.



    As for the Cisco-360 program, they are in the same boat as everyone
    else.  Despite what some people may want that training to become,
    there's a very large push to make quite sure that there's no special
    treatment there or any thought  about training to the exam.



    If you see us become worried about something, then it may be time to
    panic.  But until that time, relax, sit back, and enjoy the ride!  :)



    And let Sadikhov tell everyone the sky is falling.



    Scott





    amitmail4 wrote:

    Hello,

     

    I got following new from sadikhov forum.... It migbh be fake...
    pls  update if u have any new from CISCO

    Q===================

    Hi guys



    I have just heard from my local Cisco trainings partner that Cisco
    gonna change everything very soon- regarding CCIE R&S.



    They want to adjust the lab test so it coordinates with the new Cisco
    360 program. It's gonna hit hard on the other Cisco training

    vendors. Their programs won't fit the upcomming lab test. :(



    Expect changes in blueprint very soon.



    I have just left my job to take a half year of,- just to start the
    final training....and the 360 program is withdrawn because of changes.

    And perhaps is the other programs outdated before I'm ready.... :(

    UQ===============

    Brgds

    Amit







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  • Hello Scott,

     

    Thanks for you reply... 

    :)

    Brgds

    Amit

  • Anyone heard any further details about this? I gotta admit its got me completely freaked out, I have my first attempt booked for July 31 and its kind of scary to know that if I fail that I'll have to rush to fit in two more attempts if there are slots available otherwise I might have to learn some new topics and potentially not be ready again untill January. There's only so much my wife will put up with lol...

     

  • The CCIE R/S track is due for an update. 

    Once they announce (rumor has it that it will be May 5) - you will have 6 months with the current blueprint before the change. 

    Rumors also indicate that Frame Relay will be removed and more troubleshooting will be added. 

  • if there was a change would you guys be able to keep up? you just released new material. Seems like it would consume your lives and your wives would be angry at cisco for making a change to the blueprint


    On Mon, Apr 27, 2009 at 4:25 PM, Anthony Sequeira <bounce-Anthony_Sequeira@ieoc.com> wrote:

    The CCIE R/S track is due for an update. 

    Once they announce (rumor has it that it will be May 5) - you will have 6 months with the current blueprint before the change. 

    Rumors also indicate that Frame Relay will be removed and more troubleshooting will be added. 




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    You make it sounds like things are not prepared for.  :)



    Besides, won't wives/girlfriends across the world be upset with Cisco
    for any changes?  The cycle happens every time Cisco makes a change! 
    R&S just happens to affect the most people!



    There will be work involved, but nothing to worry about!






     



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    luisgarcia wrote:

    if there was a change would you guys be able to keep up? you
    just released new material. Seems like it would consume your lives and
    your wives would be angry at cisco for making a change to the blueprint



    On Mon, Apr 27, 2009 at 4:25 PM, Anthony
    Sequeira <bounce-Anthony_Sequeira@ieoc.com>
    wrote:

    The CCIE R/S track is due for an update. 

    Once they announce (rumor has it that it will be May 5) - you
    will have 6 months with the current blueprint before the change. 

    Rumors also indicate that Frame Relay will be removed and more
    troubleshooting will be added. 







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  • Once they announce (rumor has it that it will be May 5) - you will have 6 months with the current blueprint before the change. 


     

    Gee thanks Antho - you just added about 10 hours a week to my study schedule and brought my lab date forward by 8 weeks. Bastard :)

    On that note, the presumably less to memoris(z)e and more to analys(z)e approach of extra troubleshooting sounds appealing.

     

  • Yeah same! Shouldn't have asked, just added more anxiety [*-)]

  • I've heard rumor of the addition of MPLS, Layer3 VPN and
    Troubleshooting to the Lab, along with the removal of Frame Relay. 
    Nothing is a surprise here, just keeping up with the pace of
    technology.  Also, yes to the 6 month window for the existing
    objectives. 

    Word on the street is that there are tons of Lab
    slots open despite this probable news (as of today).  Not completely
    surprising considering the slow-to-recover economic time we're in and
    the fact that some are eating the cost of their Lab expenses.  Hang in
    there and don't freak out if you're prepared for the existing
    objectives.  You're going to do just fine.

     

    Anthony

  • These next few days are going to go slowly.

     

  • Hey, it's already 10pm, any news already ?:D

    -Andrei

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    There won't be news until next week....  So have a relaxing weekend.  :)






     



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    CCSI #21903, JNCI-M, JNCI-ER

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    andreiarnautu wrote:

    Hey, it's already 10pm, any news already ?:D

    -Andrei







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  • So I noticed that Scott updated this thread OH QUICK CLICK ON IT -- oh wait.

     

    Thanks mate :)

    I think I would feel better about it if I was at any other stage in my preparation - earlier, then yeah ill focus on the new kit, have an early stab - no big deal, later then yeah no worries ill still get an attempt or two in before it changes. Right now, ill be busting my own backside to get cracking on it and only get one shot before I have to learn a whole bunch of new stuff.

    On a side note, I had an awesome Kangaroo meat (steak) sandwich earlier.

  • <joke>

    They will replace the physical lab with dynamips.  The lab test will be offered through VUE test centres all over the world.  CCIE 360 program students can take the lab test right at the last date of the course.  Their instructors will become the procters to help monitor them in the test.

    </joke>

  • Yes, yes... I am very relaxed, like every other candidate :)

    One fact about the blueprint change is that it cannot be sooner then 90 days from the announcement date; if it is, they will have to deal with plenty of fee refunds.

    However, looking back when they first introduced the "Core Knowledge" section they had an announcement less then 30 days prior if I remember correctly.

    Time will tell...

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    Now, now...  In all fairness to them, they announced the program back
    in before August of last year!  And made it INITIALLY in the Asian
    labs.  They made it clear that things would move globally.  So it
    should not have been any particular surprise!  Who's to blame for not
    reading all the details?  :)



    Keep in mind that's how many people read the test scenario/tasks as
    well!  Pick a few words, form an opinion based on previous experiences
    and miss the finer details!  Be careful with that! (smirk)



    But yes, anything new will have a 4-6 month window easily.






     



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    CCSI #21903, JNCI-M, JNCI-ER

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    andreiarnautu wrote:

    Yes, yes... I am very relaxed, like every other candidate :)

    One fact about the blueprint change is that it cannot be sooner
    then 90 days from the announcement date; if it is, they will have to
    deal with plenty of fee refunds.

    However, looking back when they first introduced the "Core
    Knowledge" section they had an announcement less then 30 days prior if
    I remember correctly.

    Time will tell...







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  • They announced and trialed an open ended question section where chandidates were to be interviewed in person by the proctor... then with no notice or announcement switched it over to a computer exam you mean :D

  • Hello !!

     

    Does anybody here have some strong contacts who can confirm exactly when these changes are going to be announced. because i will pay by this week for Lab.

    Are the Open-Ended question going to be axed as well .... i hope soo..

     

     

    Regards

    Zeeshan

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    You're paying for your lab now, which suggests to me that you'll be
    taking the lab in 90-days or so.  No changes will be implemented by
    that point, so I wouldn't worry about any of the changes for that!



    The core technology questions are here to stay, so don't get your hopes
    up about those going away any time soon!  :)



    Unless your lab date is right near the end of the year, I personally
    wouldn't be concerned about these changes at all.  Just my two cents!






     



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    ccieat21 wrote:

    Hello !!

     

    Does anybody here have some strong contacts who can confirm
    exactly when these changes are going to be announced. because i will
    pay by this week for Lab.

    Are the Open-Ended question going to be axed as well .... i hope
    soo..

     

     

    Regards

    Zeeshan







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  • OMG
    http://www.cisco.com/web/learning/le3/whats_new/ccie_rs_revise.html

     

     

    The new certification standards reflect the
    job skills employers are looking for at the expert level and are
    available on the Cisco Learning Network at CCIE R&S v4.0 written exam topics and CCIE R&S v4.0 lab exam topics.
    The revised CCIE R&S v4.0 exams are scheduled for release on
    October 18, 2009 and will immediately replace the currently available
    v3.0 exams.

     

     

    October 18 you gotta be kidding me

     

  • hey cool frame relay is still there

     

  • I don't get it, 2 hours of troubleshooting, + mpls added, the 3550's taken away and replaced with 3560', yet no fewer topics?

     

     

  • On that note - kind of unfair that SOME people had advanced notice of this, all the dates 8-17 October are booked out.

     

     

  • 2 hours of troubleshooting with trouble tickets, what a great idea Cisco, I love it! Maybe thats what you should have done in the first place instead of those dumb a** CK questions? Much better change this time, and they actually gave advance notice.


    On Tue, May 5, 2009 at 8:59 AM, MartinH <bounce-MartinH@ieoc.com> wrote:

    On that note - kind of unfair that SOME people had advanced notice of this, all the dates 8-17 October are booked out.

     


     



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  • SHould have made it three hours and pissed off the Open ended imo :)

     

  • Guys - Core question is still there in new blueprint : https://cisco.hosted.jivesoftware.com/docs/DOC-4605

    Now to achieve CCIE we need to pass 3 exam ? - Core exam , trobleshooting and normal configuration in single day ???????????

     

  • Hah, I saw the new blueprint for LAB and written 4.0 .

    Written: https://cisco.hosted.jivesoftware.com/docs/DOC-4374

    Lab: https://cisco.hosted.jivesoftware.com/docs/DOC-4375

    There are a lot of changes. They add 2 hours troubleshooting, change IOS to 12.4(T), remove 3550 switches, add MPLS and MPLS VPN. They don't remove frame-relay. Generally I'm waiting for any updates in IE matrials :) . I hope it will be soon.

  • Where did you see the information about the 3550 removed?
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