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  • 01-11-2010 9:08 PM

    Passed lab configuration in RTP, but failed the OEQs

    I passed the lab configuration today.  If I would have taken my test 2 weeks earlier, I would be a CCIE now.  BEWARE of the OEQs.  They threw me for a loop.  One was a stupid mistake.  The others were just crazy.  None of the simulator questions even came close!

    Look in all the nooks and crannies of all the books you have - there you may find some OEQ study material.  I'm very bitter right now knowing that I passed the config section.  I'll get over it.

    • Post Points: 65
  • 01-11-2010 9:28 PM In reply to

    Re: Passed lab configuration in RTP, but failed the OEQs

    hard luck buddy ......................

    never give up ......................

    and never loose it 

     

    • Post Points: 20
  • 01-11-2010 10:29 PM In reply to

    Re: Passed lab configuration in RTP, but failed the OEQs

    Just let me be bitter for a while.  It's my coping mechanism Big Smile

    The situation feels so surreal.  I'm already looking at airfare costs for July (first available dates for SP).  The next attempt is out of my own pocket.  Look at the brightside - I should be a master of everything SP related by then.  heck, I've already passed the config portion. 

    Regarding the OEQs, either I'm an idiot (debatable), or they just asked me those particular questions I didn't know.  Just luck of the draw I guess...

    • Post Points: 35
  • 01-11-2010 11:11 PM In reply to

    Re: Passed lab configuration in RTP, but failed the OEQs

    after OEQ , 

    i mostly believe CCIE is like a lucky draw 

    • Post Points: 20
  • 01-12-2010 3:00 AM In reply to

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    Re: Passed lab configuration in RTP, but failed the OEQs

    I'm sorry to hear this news :(

    Fingers crossed for your next attempt. Remember "what doesn't kill us makes us stronger" ;)

    Cheers,

    Seba

    Sebastian Pasternacki

    CCIE #17541 RS/Sec/SP

    • Post Points: 20
  • 01-12-2010 5:02 AM In reply to

    Re: Passed lab configuration in RTP, but failed the OEQs

    As mentioned above, OEQ are also lucky because your question may be who invented the Header in Cisco IOS MPLS? simply by not knowing they have already lost a question in your exam, it does not measure knowledge, the question that you just do not remember the answer to question how many bits you have this header.

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  • 01-12-2010 6:26 AM In reply to

    Re: Passed lab configuration in RTP, but failed the OEQs

    wow, you are the second person I heard of that passed lab but failed the OEQ. And I have impression that you read a lot of books in your last month. This makes me feel really bad about the OEQs. Would you mind sharing what kind of questions were asked?

     

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  • 01-12-2010 7:27 AM In reply to

    Re: Passed lab configuration in RTP, but failed the OEQs

    Sorry to hear that, it's completely Luck game, after good understanding.

    It was also before adding OEQ, you know i failed twice in first attempt for minute differnece and in second attempt for  just double of that, for second attempt I still don't know what was my mistake.This is painful and more dangerous  because chances are there to commit that again. I didn't find any question irrelevant or ridiculous, Lab questions are well planned and designed, I will appreciate cisco team for that.

    Best of Luck for Next Time.

     

    scrlk:

    after OEQ , 

    i mostly believe CCIE is like a lucky draw 

     

    Avinash

    • Post Points: 20
  • 01-12-2010 7:30 AM In reply to

    Re: Passed lab configuration in RTP, but failed the OEQs

    I can't answer what kind of questions I had without breaking NDA.

    I can tell you this though.  I completely fudged one - just me being stupid.  One I nailed.  The other two were things I have never seen or done before.  I was a little amazed at the two of them.  One was not short answer.  That's all I can say.

    I have not touched any lab configuration for the past month prior to my lab attempt yesterday.  All I did was reread books and bone back up on the theory.  That helped - especially understanding the questions they ask in the actual lab configurations.

    • Post Points: 20
  • 01-12-2010 8:12 AM In reply to

    Re: Passed lab configuration in RTP, but failed the OEQs

    Things you had never seen or done before....

    BUT - I assume covered in the scope of the CCIE SP Lab Exam Blueprint?

     

    Please confirm for our readers that all questions were in the scope of that document. 

     

    Thanks in advance awilkins - stay positive and continue to enjoy your studies - I am sure you will pass on your next attempt. 

     

    • Post Points: 20
  • 01-12-2010 8:36 AM In reply to

    Re: Passed lab configuration in RTP, but failed the OEQs

    Yeah, of course they were in scope.  It was just not what I would consider core material.  It was just luck of the draw.  I don't care who you are.  There are questions you will not know the answers to. 

     

    The next time, I'll pass the OEQs and fail the lab :) 

    Anyone want to contribute to my CCIE fund?  Big Smile

    • Post Points: 20
  • 01-12-2010 10:00 AM In reply to

    Re: Passed lab configuration in RTP, but failed the OEQs

    I was talking about the OEQs.  I thought two questions they asked were ridiculous.  But, I'm bitter right now.  Ultimately, it is my fault.  I just need to keep going back until I pass, but the first opening in the U.S. is in July.  I hate to wait that long.

    On Tue, Jan 12, 2010 at 9:33 AM, Avinashrai <bounce-Avinashrai@ieoc.com> wrote:

    Sorry to hear that, it's completely Luck game, after good understanding.

    It was also before adding OEQ, you know i failed twice in first attempt for 1% and in second attempt for 2%, for second attempt I still don't know what was my mistake.This is painful and more dangerous  because chances are there to commit that again. I didn't find any question irrelevant or ridiculous, Lab questions are well planned and designed, I will appreciate cisco team for that.

    Best of Luck for Next Time.

     

    scrlk:

    after OEQ , 

    i mostly believe CCIE is like a lucky draw 

     




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  • 01-12-2010 10:00 AM In reply to

    Re: Passed lab configuration in RTP, but failed the OEQs

    awilkins:

    Yeah, of course they were in scope.  It was just not what I would consider core material.  It was just luck of the draw.  I don't care who you are.  There are questions you will not know the answers to. 

     

    The next time, I'll pass the OEQs and fail the lab :) 

    Anyone want to contribute to my CCIE fund?  Big Smile

     

    he he he he :) good comment, i appreciate ur confidence,,,next time you will definately make OEQ and config both :)

    Avinash

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  • 01-12-2010 10:14 AM In reply to

    Re: Passed lab configuration in RTP, but failed the OEQs

    Hold and search You can get earlier dates, keep some gap in attempts, this is my personal experience, second attempt i gave at the gap of 32 days, now i think that was my mistake.

    Next I got May Date, Now blind folk is not running behind SP, it will be easy to get a date.

     

    Hope for Best!

    Avinash

     

    awilkins:
    I was talking about the OEQs.  I thought two questions they asked were ridiculous.  But, I'm bitter right now.  Ultimately, it is my fault.  I just need to keep going back until I pass, but the first opening in the U.S. is in July.  I hate to wait that long.

    On Tue, Jan 12, 2010 at 9:33 AM, Avinashrai <bounce-Avinashrai@ieoc.com> wrote:

    Sorry to hear that, it's completely Luck game, after good understanding.

    It was also before adding OEQ, you know i failed twice in first attempt for 1% and in second attempt for 2%, for second attempt I still don't know what was my mistake.This is painful and more dangerous  because chances are there to commit that again. I didn't find any question irrelevant or ridiculous, Lab questions are well planned and designed, I will appreciate cisco team for that.

    Best of Luck for Next Time.

     

     

    scrlk:

     

    after OEQ , 

    i mostly believe CCIE is like a lucky draw 

     

     




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    Avinash

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  • 01-12-2010 11:23 AM In reply to

    Re: Passed lab configuration in RTP, but failed the OEQs

    Someone asked me a question on advice for studying the OEQs now.  This is what I wrote (added quite a few things to this):

    Do what I did.  Get out of the lab configuration and just read read read.  I read the "MPLS Configuration on Cisco IOS Software" book in its entirety, read all the pertinent chapters in TCP/IP Vol I and II (OSPF, ISIS, BGP, Multicast chapters).  I highlighted everything I thought could be asked as a test question.  I then went back through all the highlights about two or three times.  Don't skip the Case Study sections.  I would then get the IE Core Knowledge Simulator.  Although none came close, it is still good.  I'm sure there is a hit out of the 400 questions they will offer with it.  I'm going to read some more theory books like MPLS and VPN Architectures, etc.  After you know the theory (like I do now), go out and configure EVERYTHING in mini-lab scenarios.  Play with it.  See how it works with the other protocols and how other protocols work with it.  Understand the bits and the bytes.  Take NOTES!!!!  And, review those notes on a weekly basis.  I find the bathroom a perfect place to review notes :)  If you have kids like me, you understand this.  Repetition of the review of handwritten notes is quintessential in maintaining the knowledge.  I can't tell you how many times I've read the OSPF and ISIS chapters in Doyle's TCP/IP books.  After a couple months of not looking at the theory, you start to forget - especially since where I work is a BGP and EIGRP shop (soon to change though to more OSPF centric). 

    Most important is to talk to other people about the technology.  That's why I post in here so much.  I work in a datacenter environment.  I am rolling out MPLS right now, but most everyone in my group works with switching and maybe a little L3 stuff.  So, I find this place the best to discuss it.  The interaction and discussions about the technology really makes it stick. 
     
    The questions have to be luck of the draw.  They all can't be as hard as the ones I got.  Heck, some of you may have found them easy; it was just something I had never done before so I didn't know the answer.  To put it in perspective, none of the IP Expert or Internetwork Expert labs had the technology tested on a couple of the questions in any of their lab scenarios.

    I scheduled my next lab date in July.  Some have told me to go ahead and just keep looking and try to get something sooner.  I think this would be a good time to learn more.  I've already proven I can pass the lab exam.  Of course, there is no guarantee of future success in that, but I think I'm pretty good there.  I'm going to go and make my own mini-scenarios website or something like Antonio Soares did.  I may use the scenarios in the "MPLS Configuration on Cisco IOS Software lab scenarios" as a base.  I will also stay here and participate in the discussions so we can all grow together.  By the time July comes around, so long as I keep my studies going, I should be able to ace the OEQs and the lab, but I know there is no guarantee.

    Here's the key - knowledge.  A number means alot and it will be great to get, but just think of the knowledge you gain.  No one can take that away from you.

    P.S.  If any of you have the idea of PM'ing me asking what the questions are, don't bother.  I will NOT divulge that information.  One person has already asked me - no names of course.  It doesn't matter.

     

    • Post Points: 20
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