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Is this now the latest and greatest version of Advanced Technologies COD?  If so, I am only seeing videos for Switching and Frame Relay.  When will the rest of the videos be viewable?

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Will there be new slide to go with the latest CoD? If so when will they be available? currently, they are not

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Sorry IE ;

I am bit disappointed , The new version is cover only basic stuff , the same slides almost use in previous IE 5 days and 10 days class so I do not understand if things going to be same than why we need another version?

Sorry for this , but I wish we might see some in-depth technologies focus slides with some diagram like if we want teach Q and Q then there should be diagram on slide and tell how things work then follow the configuration.

Please note :-  CCIE written bootcamp has already teach all basic stuff (Tier -1 class) and ready student for next level so I believe this COD v4 class should for those who has familiar with technology and need to go next level of theory and configuration.

First impression.

Having taken the old version, and having done some labs, we naturally find this version "too basic". The teaching is more structured and less ad hoc perhaps because of the new format (Adobe Captivate). It would be useful to add review questions at the end of each lesson, to help us with retention. Some of the "very basic" stuff we take for granted every day may not become obvious and succinct to us, especially in the heat of the moment of the OEQ section of the exam. The teaching of basic mechanics is still important. This has become relevant due to the OEQ section.

The new outline structure without a constraint of "how may days" will permit addition of lessons in future.

I do have one suggestion for Anthony. I commend you for preparing the courseware well. Would you please speak just a tiny little bit faster. Now, I accept others may feel differently.  Alternatively, is there a way to change this to say 1.5 times speed - just like DVD?

Agree josephc ;

The problem is here that if CCIE written bootcamp is already there then why need another version from start. Now we all know how to confgure VLAN and simple frame-relay stuff then going again in new format does not make any sense to me.  think about IE workbook 2 , they have remove simple task and spend more time on advance question. if student have problem with basic level swicthing or frame-relay stuff then HE/SHE should go back to basic and spend more time on INE's CCNA /CCNP bootcamp and CCIE written bootcamp.  I think best COD product is undoubtly Open lecture series now.

We have now 5 day COD , 10 day COD , new v4 COD , OLD v3 COD , many long hrs video but format is same except new format break into differnet videos however if you combined all new videos then it is samiler stuff. 

I personally belive new v4 COD might look like hxxp://blog.internetworkexpert.com/2009/07/29/ccie-rs-5-day-kickstart/ (what peter say "This live, intense class is the fastest way to learn advanced topics such as MSTP, Catalyst QoS, Multicast, tricky NAT scenarios, and many other topics that students find notoriously difficult. All five days will be densely packed with technical information and with the detail level similar to that you find in many of our blog posts. Some of the topics covered in this new class cannot be found anywhere in Cisco documentation. These topics are the result of our hard work and research)

sadly , it is not there now :(

Yes Adobe Captivate is make life simple no sync related issue.

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Amit Chopra 

To each its own.

I do like the course, the pace.

Maybe the name is wrong. 

We will have to wait what Anthony and the rest of INE's staff comes up to substitute the X-Day Bootcamp. 

The way I see it INE is offering a buffet of training venues/approaches. All the same stuff, just arrange in different ways. Some new students coming to training may find this course a good starting point, and some may find it too 'nothing new here'.

I just watched the first 2 videos in this new replacement module. I agree, they are light, but hey, it is VLANs. Still I picked up a couple of bits of knowledge that had eluded me all this time.

Want something dense? Listen to Scott Morris (audio bootcamp) explaining MPLS VPN. :-)

I don't want to 'pile-on' with any negativity, but I do have some feedback as well.  I have watched all of the videos put out so far and I am a bit concerned about the direction the ATC course is taking.

The Old V3 ATC course:

The old ATC CoD (Brian Dennis & Brian McGahan) is intense.  At times, it was like I walked into a movie like "The Matrix" as it was about halfway through, and it would go from very basic in nature to way over my head.  What I mean is that I really could not sit and watch the videos and really be able to follow along with just watching them.  I would get lost in the first 15 minutes and my overloaded mind would start to wonder.  Then I decided to load up the same base configs and type in my rack and follow right along with what they were explaining.  That is when I really went from the CCNP level up to a CCIE level of thinking.  

In the old ATC CoD, the gap in the product is that there is a big disconnect between the depth of information covered in the videos as compared to the Ver 5, Vol 1 workbooks.   While the ATC CoD is taking the CCNP level and depth of knowledge to the whole next level, the Ver 5, Vol 1 workbook is taking what is covered in the ATC CoD and multiplying that intensity by - times 256 (dumb eigrp joke).

To summarize this point - The old ATC CoD course was deeply in-depth.  That is why we love it.  The problem with it was that there was no table of contents to first give an overview of the subject and then provide a summary of exactly what was going to be covered.  However, the depth of coverage of the subjects was truly deep enough.  Still, however, no matter how deep the old ATC CoD was, it still left a pretty significant gap between where the ATC CoD left off, and where the Ver 5, Vol 1 workbooks start.

The New V4 ATC course:

The positives - The structured approach to listing topics by specific technology is a definite improvement.  Anthony and Keith are a bit more entertaining, and I really love being able to slide that little bar back and forth, as it is much easier than the other adobe 'webex like' capture tool that was used for the old one.

The Negatives -

1.  In a nutshell - it's WAY too light.  Way too light.  If there is a gap between the old ATC CoD course and the Ver 5, Vol1 workbook...this would widen the gap from the old one being on opposite sides of the country, to the gap being on opposite sides of the world.  

2.  The amount of command-line diving was 80/20 to the slides.  The 80% is where the .ppt slides were winning.

3.  I never did see a debug issued.  One of the best things that the old ATC CoD did was remove the fear of getting down to the debug level of thinking in order to figure out why something was not working.

4.  Take the spanning-tree video (802.1D).  In the old CoD, there was several hours of deep command-line diving, and scenarios based at the CCIE level.  This spanning-tree video is maybe a couple of minutes longer than the Written Bootcamp video on 802.1D spanning-tree.  In fact, I don't even think that this video was even an hour.

My opinion on a perfect ATC CoD and Ver 5, Vol 1 world:

1.  I think if the direction of providing a much watered down ATC CoD course is something you guys feel compelled to do, then there has to be something to address the gap between even the old ATC CoD and the Ver 5, Vol 1 workbook.  Based on the Switching and Frame videos put out for the new ATC CoD class, you guys are making this gap much wider, rather than closing it.

If the direction you guys are taking is to provide this very watered down version of the ATC CoD course for part 1, and then part 2 will be a companion Video series that goes over every part of the Ver 5, Vol 1 workbook, then that would make perfect sense and I think would close the gap completely.  If, however, this is not the direction you are going, then I would like the option to purchase a DVD of the old ATC CoD videos and will use that as my primary study videos, along with the old OLS deep dives that Brian McGahan was doing.  

I know you guys are working hard to change the product, and I truly appreciate the efforts.  I also want to state that I am not fearful of change, as I welcome it.  The issue here is that I think the ATC CoD is taking a step backwards here.  If the goal is to make this product take a step backwards in intensity, and then to follow-up with a Video Companion to the Ver 5, Vol 1 workbook, then I would really love that.  

What I don't want to see is that this ATC CoD product get so watered down that it is like CCNA material as compared to the Ver 5, Vol 1 workbook, and then you try to charge me any more money for a Video Companion course for the Ver 5, Vol 1 workbook.  

Please understand that this feedback I provide is not meant to slam anyone or to complain.  I am only providing this feedback to give an end customer's point of view.  My employer went with a competitor's product for the R&S CCIE program.  I have spent my own money on the CCIE 2.0 program, built a home rack to the V5 specs, and have close to 800 tokens.  I deeply care about my investment in your products and company, and I want to continue to put my reputation on the line by recommending your CCIE 2.0/4.0 product to everyone I know that is pursuing the R&S CCIE.  Those are the only reasons that I am providing this feedback.

And that is my two cents!

Chewie

Excellent comparision Chewie !!!!!

hey look hxxp://www.internetworkexpert.com/ccie-routing-switching-video-companion-series.htm , I think COD v4 should look like that however not really understand why we have now two differnet product "Lab meet-up" and this one? The cost is 695$ wow!!!! ,

I have just submit feedback survey for new COD v4.

Same like "chewie" i do not want to hurt anyone but truth is always bitter , I have also spend almost 4000+ USD on INE products and if the gap is become bigger than it will more worry me , I am lucky that I have "competitor" product and their new COD.I am quite impressed with competitor COD and use with INE v5 1 Labs. When INE decided to release new COD I was very happy and hope that it was FIX gap between previous COD and IE 5 v1 but it is totally fail.I do not know what INE do, Yes it is free update for all owner however where is time to go through again same stuff which was showed in earlier COD?

Now INE made CCNA , CCNP bootcamp along with CCIE written so there should not be any room for basic stuff on Tier-1 CCIE. I can say these 5 Days COD and new one might be good if the associate and professional level COD not there.

YES CHEwie you are right...I feel That INE is just selling their products in Parts they shud have just added it in lab meet up series which is similar to that.

They have not updated ATC either its just basic things are just being repeated time and again. I wonder they gonna concentrate on ATC or Companion Videos??

THey are just in a hurry to sell their products rather than concentrating on the ones they already have.

I own ccie 4 program but even inspite of that INE continuosly comes up with new products.So whats the point in buying the whole stuffs.??? So plz INE Members dont come up with new products we are happy  with the current ones just keep updating them and more importantly have it properly covered.

I agree. Well said.